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Old 02-22-2012, 03:55 PM   #11
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Re: scott abel article on crossfit.

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Mainsite absolutely does not follow that theoretical template discussed in the CFJ and at L1 certs. If you can find a week's worth of CF.com workouts that resembles it I'll buy you a six-pack of beer.
Concur. That was one of the hardest things to get my head around when I started. I kept tracking the WODs and trying to understand how they fit into the template. Then I realized; they don't.
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:07 PM   #12
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No actually he is 100% correct. Mainsite is as random as it comes. There is no pattern, rhyme, or reason to it's programming. This has been stated by the HQ staff over and over again in video's.
What? That is absolutely wrong. Please state which HQ staff stated this and provide links to the videos that you are referencing.
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:32 PM   #13
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What? That is absolutely wrong. Please state which HQ staff stated this and provide links to the videos that you are referencing.
Lisbeth,

If I get a chance to tonight I will respond with more supporting data, however in the mean time are you telling me that mainsite isn't random, i. e. there's a pattern?
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Old 02-22-2012, 06:21 PM   #14
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Re: scott abel article on crossfit.

Rule number one before you trash something. Research it. Scott Abel failed to do that.
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:03 PM   #15
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Excellent article, 100% accurate.
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:28 PM   #16
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Excellent article, 100% accurate.
I am inclined to agree, but IMO, what he's talking about is more important for intermediate/advanced trainees.
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:12 PM   #17
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I am inclined to agree, but IMO, what he's talking about is more important for intermediate/advanced trainees.
I'd like to caveat what I said by saying that beginners don't need intensity to make gains. The principle of volume before intensity applies to endurance and weight training.
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:38 PM   #18
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Re: scott abel article on crossfit.

"Variance does not mean random" - Dave Castro.

Dave explains how CrossFit's constantly varied programming is not random here: http://journal.crossfit.com/2010/04/...rogramming.tpl (WFS)
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:04 AM   #19
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"Variance does not mean random" - Dave Castro.

Dave explains how CrossFit's constantly varied programming is not random here: http://journal.crossfit.com/2010/04/...rogramming.tpl (WFS)

Oh man......No offence but you gotta be able to do better than a Dave Castro video. Attempting to Regurgitate things he has heard during his association with CrossFit doesn't lend any more credibility to the argument.

"The magic is in the movement" No, actually it isn't. That statement right there is in part what Scott Abel's article is saying is a problem.

Anybody can program for Josh Everett? Come on even CrossFit staff can't believe that nonsense.

Those of us who have been to the cert and are level 1 trainers and know what was taught during programming, know main page does not reflect what we were taught.

I went to the level 1 back when there was no test. I went back again at the end of last year and took the test. I found it interesting that the staff asked us to sit in on the programming lecture prior to taking our test, however that was the only part of the cert they asked us to sit in on. But it was free so no complaints here.

I thought the programming lecture was pretty good, basic, but pretty good. It was better than it was when I originally went to the cert, however main page programming appears to get worse over time, how is that possible? Programming lecture gets better, main page gets worse, I don't understand and really I would like to.

Don't get me wrong, there are some good "workouts" mixed in there but there are many bad ones as well and good workout or not the manner in which they are strung together is often so obviously wrong I don't see how it can be anything but Random.

Or maybe I'm wrong and there is a method to the madness. If that's the case let us in on the secret. As a Level 1 Trainer representing CrossFit, I certainly want to represent it appropriately.
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:02 AM   #20
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"Variance does not mean random" - Dave Castro.

Dave explains how CrossFit's constantly varied programming is not random here: http://journal.crossfit.com/2010/04/...rogramming.tpl (WFS)
Russell,

That is true that he says that in that video, however, there was "The Hopper" wod at the games once to (yeah, it was the games, not mainsite, I get it but still....).

In the bigger picture though, either something is random or it has a pattern. We know that mainsite does not have and has never had a pattern so therefore it is random.

According to this source (wfs)
Random - 1. Having no specific pattern....

We all know that it is impossible to accurately guess what wod will come up. In the past we have seen, on consecutive days mind you, back to back hero's (chippers), back to back strength, and everything else in between. While there is the 3 on 1 off rule (has there ever been back to back rest days to truely dismiss the thought?), the actual workouts themselves are random and have no pattern. Using this I guess you could argue that some form of the programming itself is not random (cause of 3off1on), but the wods still are. With that same notion though you would have to say that it is not constantly varied because it is known that it will be 3on1off.

I'm really not trying to be argumentative here but call a spade a spade.

Anyways, it's 2:30am and I have to be at work soon and need to sleep.
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