Starting CrossFit. Should I stick with a "bodybuilding" type diet?

[Katherine Derbyshire]

Originally Posted by Ryan Palm

How can you say that? He didn't give you a weight, and activity level...or any type of information that would allow you simply just say 4000 is to little. All we know is that he gained a ridiculous amount of weight in a short period of time...off of his 4000 cal diet...His pic's look like he's making very good progress...

I didn't say it was too little, I said it probably wasn't too much. And he did give information about weight (skinny, trying to gain) and activity level (Crossfitting).

Katherine

[Randy Hill]

Milk is an awesome growth food. I'm 6'4 195 and my goal weight is 225. When I return to the states, I plan on downing a gallon of it per day (real, whole milk). I suggest you look in to GOMAD. (Gallon Of milk A Day).

[Ryan Palm]

Originally Posted by Katherine Derbyshire

I didn't say it was too little, I said it probably wasn't too much. And he did give information about weight (skinny, trying to gain) and activity level (Crossfitting).

Katherine

Alright I see where I misunderstood what you said, and I guess for those other 2 if someone tells me skinny it's to vague for my liking, and then there are many variations of cross fitting(+ whatever sport they might be playing)...so I tend to like to know specifics.

Lately I seem to be seeing a lot of people at unnecessarily high calories...usually just making themselves fat in pursuit of lean mass.

[Katherine Derbyshire]

Originally Posted by Ryan Palm

Lately I seem to be seeing a lot of people at unnecessarily high calories...usually just making themselves fat in pursuit of lean mass.

Heh. I seem to be seeing the exact opposite. People so afraid of gaining/not losing weight that they aren't giving themselves enough fuel.

Katherine

[Ryan Palm]

Originally Posted by Katherine Derbyshire

Heh. I seem to be seeing the exact opposite. People so afraid of gaining/not losing weight that they aren't giving themselves enough fuel.

Katherine

I agree with the above also, it defiantly swings both ways.

[Nicholas D Barbosa]

Burn an email over to Josh Bunch at Practice CrossFit in Troy, Ohio. He has alot of info and diet tweaks for bodybuilding diets.

[Mike ODonnell]

Speaking of gaining weight....this article by Lyle McDonald is really good place for people who are looking to gain to understand how much muscle is really possible:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...potential.html
(link sfw)

People who make large jumps of "lean" mass are usually just bringing themselves up to a natural genetic potential that may have never been reached in the past (due to not lifting, not eating enough, doing way too much activity). After that the gains are much slower.

Most people claiming unbelievable weight gains, lose most of it when they try to lean out.....as most of us have tried the bulk and cut cycles and had not much to show for it in the end. Bodybuilders at their lowest BF% are lower in lbs than most would think. There should be a focus on the difference between weight gain and muscle gain....as they are not equal.

[Ben Kissam]

Clearly not suggesting this, but I read this on another part of the forum and it made me think of this thread. This is just insane hahah.

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_a...from_dave_tate (NOT WFS)

Here's a quick story.

There was a time at the Old Westside gym where I couldn't gain weight to save my ****ing life.

There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like ****ing magic. He'd go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.

I finally asked him one day how he did it.

"You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I'll fill you in."

Now remember, we're at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious **** if we have to go outside, I thought.

So we get outside and he starts talking.

"For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don't care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that **** down and eat. That's your breakfast."

At this point I'm thinking this guy is nuts. But he's completely serious.

"For lunch you're gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don't want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG bull****. I don't care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can't let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter."

"For dinner you're gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don't like sardines, don't put 'em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that ****er up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that **** over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the **** out of it."

"Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that ****er. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals."

This guy is in a zen-like state when he's talking about this.

"Now you're on the clock," he continues. "After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you're full. Don't listen to that ****. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I'm telling you now, you're going to get three or four pieces in and you're gonna want to quit. You ****ing can't quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.

And if you can't finish it, don't you ever come back to me and tell me you can't gain weight. 'Cause I'm gonna tell you that you don't give a **** about getting bigger and you don't care how much you lift!"

Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn't get much fatter. One of the hardest things I've ever done in my life, though.

[Randy Hill]

Ben, I read that before and it's pretty inspiring. God damn though, I don't know if I could live with myself. But I don't think I have to worry about eating that much until i'm 260 and lifting a lot more than I do right now.