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Old 12-14-2007, 08:37 AM   #71
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Re: I'm 155lbs, I want to be 190lbs; read inside.

wow, with shoes on too, impressive. im 5'11'' 150lbs, and have been training planche and other gymnastics strength holds since about july, so roughly 6 months. my straddle planche is finally coming around, but im not at that level yet.
in short, i dont think anyone needs to drastically alter their body size to get certain strength holds, as long as you have very little fat. but, this is just my opinion.
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Old 12-14-2007, 02:17 PM   #72
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Re: I'm 155lbs, I want to be 190lbs; read inside.

I assume he had most of that muscle mass coming in.. which is going to help a lot. Pretty impressive but his body is built for this since his upper body is huge compared to his legs which would be dead weight.
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Old 12-14-2007, 07:05 PM   #73
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I assume he had most of that muscle mass coming in.. which is going to help a lot. Pretty impressive but his body is built for this since his upper body is huge compared to his legs which would be dead weight.
+1, his legs look short in proportion with the rest of his body too. my body is basically the anti-planche short arms and long legs
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:06 AM   #74
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Re: I'm 155lbs, I want to be 190lbs; read inside.

Late to the thread, but I don't think anyone suggested this proven program (w/f/s):

http://www.defrancostraining.com/art...s_westside.htm

No gymnastics ( nor Olympic ) moves here. With the potential gain in lower body mass, gymnastic ability would likely be reduced. It's a tradeoff.
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Old 12-15-2007, 10:43 AM   #75
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Late to the thread, but I don't think anyone suggested this proven program (w/f/s):

http://www.defrancostraining.com/art...s_westside.htm

No gymnastics ( nor Olympic ) moves here. With the potential gain in lower body mass, gymnastic ability would likely be reduced. It's a tradeoff.
I personally don't like upper/lower splits like WSBB prescribes although it will work better than pretty much all bodybuilding splits with low frequency. You can get more frequency out of push/pull and moreover combine and simplify days easier if you need to or are running short on time.
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Old 12-17-2007, 12:54 PM   #76
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Re: I'm 155lbs, I want to be 190lbs; read inside.

So, I'm very much new to Crossfit, only about the past few weeks so I'm at scaled workouts right now. But, I know what you are looking for. I'm at 5'11", and down to 210 from 245 (I played football and threw shotput so I needed the mass, hopefully will get down to 195 by January 25th) after a summer of working out and at 13 strict pu right now with 275 max rep bench. Anyways, when it comes to gaining a serious amount of muscle, you're doing the reps wrong in my opinion. I see that you like doing 10-12 reps, and while this is all well and good, if you want to see serious gains in muscle it's going to be all about the one rep max and working towards less reps.

I'd suggest doing pyramids of 10-8-6-4-3-2-1-4 or maybe even tear down, where you throw on 225 for bench (all relative, I'm doing it towards my standards) with 1 45, 1 25, and 2 tens on each side. Then, max out your reps on 225, drop to 205 and max out, and keep doing that till you hit the bar, once you're finished do it all over again for another set with no rest in between changing weight. Up the weight every week that you do it. Also, keep in mind that this is all prior experience and probably isn't in the Crossfit mindset.

I'm not sure what any one thinks of supplements, good or bad. I know creatine works and getting an influx of protein works very well. The kinesiology students here have done studies to show that it hasn't been shown to have bad effects (not sure how true it is, but I'm a trusting kinda guy). Increase the protein, but in the end I always used to eat about 30% junk food. Hoped that helped.
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Old 12-17-2007, 06:34 PM   #77
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So, I'm very much new to Crossfit, only about the past few weeks so I'm at scaled workouts right now. But, I know what you are looking for. I'm at 5'11", and down to 210 from 245 (I played football and threw shotput so I needed the mass, hopefully will get down to 195 by January 25th) after a summer of working out and at 13 strict pu right now with 275 max rep bench. Anyways, when it comes to gaining a serious amount of muscle, you're doing the reps wrong in my opinion. I see that you like doing 10-12 reps, and while this is all well and good, if you want to see serious gains in muscle it's going to be all about the one rep max and working towards less reps.

I'd suggest doing pyramids of 10-8-6-4-3-2-1-4 or maybe even tear down, where you throw on 225 for bench (all relative, I'm doing it towards my standards) with 1 45, 1 25, and 2 tens on each side. Then, max out your reps on 225, drop to 205 and max out, and keep doing that till you hit the bar, once you're finished do it all over again for another set with no rest in between changing weight. Up the weight every week that you do it. Also, keep in mind that this is all prior experience and probably isn't in the Crossfit mindset.
Well, the first paragraph was good.. and then you just contradicted it with what you suggested. If you're going to go low reps for strength (and mass with good diet) then you should do something like 8x3 or whatever range from about 1-5 RM you're working in.

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I'm not sure what any one thinks of supplements, good or bad. I know creatine works and getting an influx of protein works very well. The kinesiology students here have done studies to show that it hasn't been shown to have bad effects (not sure how true it is, but I'm a trusting kinda guy). Increase the protein, but in the end I always used to eat about 30% junk food. Hoped that helped.
Too much protein without enough water/hydration makes the kidneys work harder and can damage them.

Creatine is decent for getting out an extra rep or so per set. Won't increase your max strength (for the RM that is) though because that's a CNS/muscular phenomena rather than ATP/phosphocreatine.
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Old 12-17-2007, 08:29 PM   #78
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Learn something new everyday. I really have no clue about the biological effects of it. I just know that creatine has left me and teammates less sore the next day which allows us to perform much better for the workout the next day. Thanks for the info Steven
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