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Old 08-20-2011, 10:58 AM   #1
Dustin Standel
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Women's weight?!

So the question came up today at the box about the prescribed load for women being different than the mens.

Should women have a different prescribed weight as men or not - Kristan Clever does Isabel with the men's weight?

I think it depends - for WODs like Isabel, 135 is almost 70 pounds less than my current body weight, but is likely 10 to 15 pounds heavier than the average woman at my box - so the leverages are quite different and the work required relatively quite a bit more.

But the difference between a 20" box and 24" box on box jumps? Hell it is probably easier for them to get up than me!


So what do you think?
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Old 08-20-2011, 11:04 AM   #2
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Re: Women's weight?!

Men use bigger basketballs than women, and throw a heavier discus/shot put/hammer/javelin than women do. Softball fields are smaller than baseball fields. It's not like differing "rx'd" standards is an unprecedented idea in established sports.

Men are (on average) bigger than women and carry much more muscle mass. Why wouldn't rx'd weights reflect those differences?
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:23 PM   #3
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Men use bigger basketballs than women, and throw a heavier discus/shot put/hammer/javelin than women do. Softball fields are smaller than baseball fields. It's not like differing "rx'd" standards is an unprecedented idea in established sports.

Men are (on average) bigger than women and carry much more muscle mass. Why wouldn't rx'd weights reflect those differences?
But then why are softballs so much larger than baseballs?
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:30 PM   #4
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Re: Women's weight?!

IMHO, weights should be scaled to a person's weight and sex. I'll be working much harder using a 65lb barbell w/a bw=115 than the lady next to me w/a bw=180lb.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:49 PM   #5
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Re: Women's weight?!

or... each person could scale the weight for themselves based on strength and goals.

and using clever as an example is silly. she is the exception, not the rule.
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Old 08-20-2011, 01:27 PM   #6
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But then why are softballs so much larger than baseballs?
Easier to hit

But not really. The only time I've ever K'd more than once in a game is fastpitch softball.
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Old 08-20-2011, 07:22 PM   #7
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Re: Women's weight?!

We keep very accurate lifting logs. The guys are much stronger then the ladies. If a 225 Deadlift is about 65% of my 1RM it is above 100% of all my ladies 1RM.

When I want to incorporate fairly heavy lifting into a W.O.D. I will often express it as a % of their highest 5RM. This way everyone is lifting right where I want them. This is actually the most accurate way to do things. Most gyms don't require training logs so they don't have the information they need to program this way. With lighter weights it is just unnecessary.
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Old 08-20-2011, 08:40 PM   #8
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Re: Women's weight?!

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So the question came up today at the box about the prescribed load for women being different than the mens.

Should women have a different prescribed weight as men or not - Kristan Clever does Isabel with the men's weight?

I think it depends - for WODs like Isabel, 135 is almost 70 pounds less than my current body weight, but is likely 10 to 15 pounds heavier than the average woman at my box - so the leverages are quite different and the work required relatively quite a bit more.

But the difference between a 20" box and 24" box on box jumps? Hell it is probably easier for them to get up than me!


So what do you think?
Perhaps give them the same RX for a week and they can be the judge?
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Old 08-20-2011, 08:47 PM   #9
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We keep very accurate lifting logs. The guys are much stronger then the ladies. If a 225 Deadlift is about 65% of my 1RM it is above 100% of all my ladies 1RM.

When I want to incorporate fairly heavy lifting into a W.O.D. I will often express it as a % of their highest 5RM. This way everyone is lifting right where I want them. This is actually the most accurate way to do things. Most gyms don't require training logs so they don't have the information they need to program this way. With lighter weights it is just unnecessary.
I agree with this.
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Old 08-20-2011, 10:09 PM   #10
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Re: Women's weight?!

Not to highjack or steer this off course. But it would be interesting to see how the strategies would play out if all the weights in the Games were expressed as % of bodyweight
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