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Old 12-30-2015, 12:23 PM   #21
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Re: Not training the snatch?

My approach has always been to program for the best athlete and modify for everyone else.

If I have even one athlete that can snatch, then why deprive him/her to make coaching/programming easier for everyone else?

I say program it, then simply modify for everyone else. Use power snatches, snatch grip dead lifts, snatch high pulls, etc.,.

What you'll find is over time more and more athletes will look to push their limits. They'll try to receive lower, squat deeper, improve their mobility...

Before you know it they're snatching like it was any other movement.
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Old 12-30-2015, 05:06 PM   #22
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Re: Not training the snatch?

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Because teaching the full rom of the clean reinforces good technique on the powers. I spend a ton of time with my students after school reinforcing their full squat technique, and making sure they use a load that allows them to make great progress by training high frequency and low volume. I am all about injury prevention, and my training regimine this year as a 1st year S&C coach has cut the injuries in half(gone are the knee and back issues that plagued our team 2 years in a row, and we set a offensive record of 5000+ yards for 10 games).

We have a few of our seniors being looked at by D2 and D3 colleges(we are a smaller school that plays 8 man football) that are happy to hear we train athletes using the Big 3, Olympic lifts, and speed training.
BTW, Congrats on your success as a S&C coach! Good to hear people making a difference.

Was also curious about your injury prevention regime. What are your top things that are now preventing the knee and back injuries? Is it mainly better form or are you incorporating prehab or special exercises? Thanks!
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Old 01-04-2016, 08:07 AM   #23
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Re: Not training the snatch?

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I am all about injury prevention, and my training regimine this year as a 1st year S&C coach has cut the injuries in half(gone are the knee and back issues that plagued our team 2 years in a row...
Would you mind sharing some info on your training plan and what you have learned?
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Old 03-03-2016, 08:43 AM   #24
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Re: Not training the snatch?

I would like to see the snatch relegated to the same level of the thruster. Used a lot in conditioning and sometimes as a heavy lift. I think that, since we all know it comes up in every throw down / open / Regionals / Games... CorssFitters place too much of a focus on the movement.

Explosive hip extension can be trained in many other ways (for example - weighted jumps which require much less technique in order to achieve the training stimulus). If we cut down on the time spent snatching and used that time to: back squat, deadlift, sprints, C2 intervals... We would all be that much fitter.

I'm not saying get rid of it. It just looks like those of us who strive to be the most well rounded athletes we can be, have started to become specialists in one movement because we know the importance of that movement in competition.
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Old 03-09-2016, 05:29 PM   #25
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Re: Not training the snatch?

Once you start removing movements from your list, you are no longer doing CrossFit, you are specializing to suit your likes/dislikes.

The snatch is not a very difficult movement to coach and sometimes the reason why it is not programmed enough is that the programmer/coach doesn't have the confidence to coach it in the first place or doesn't have the knowledge/experience to have lots of strings to their teaching bow.

Either way, whoever is responsible for the coaching/programming of your sessions, they should find the resources to learn even the basics of teaching the most satisfying and complete movement in existence that involves external load, the snatch.

The same goes with all movements we use in CrossFit, it usually comes down to the lack of coaching ability more so than the lack of athlete ability as to why athletes don't improve in developing movements.

HERE'S A TIP:
Search for your local dedicated weightlifting club and make contact about the possibility of hiring a coach for an hour or 2 each month to come to your garage and teach the fundamentals of the lifts and the progressions as well as accessory work. Get all your athletes to chip in a few dollars to share the cost and this monetary investment will pay off in spades from the value you will gain by being able to develop your lifting ability as well as your coaching ability.

No movement/exercise should ever be thrown on the trash pile purely because a coach doesn't know how to teach it, you're doing a disservice to your athletes.

There is no athletic comparison to being able to perform the snatch correctly and the value it provides to 'just wanting to get fit'.
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Old 03-10-2016, 11:02 AM   #26
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Re: Not training the snatch?

Thanks for the reply Michael,

What are your thoughts on not introducing it for beginners? But introducing it a a later date, perhaps thru a specialty class, and sclaing it during WODs to perhaps an OHS or SDLHP or some other element of a clean for the yet untrained

Perhaps reread the OP? Our Oly specilist certainly understands how to train the snatch.

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Old 03-15-2016, 03:20 PM   #27
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Re: Not training the snatch?

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Thanks for the reply Michael,

What are your thoughts on not introducing it for beginners? But introducing it a a later date, perhaps thru a specialty class, and sclaing it during WODs to perhaps an OHS or SDLHP or some other element of a clean for the yet untrained

Perhaps reread the OP? Our Oly specilist certainly understands how to train the snatch.

Cheers

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Old 03-16-2016, 02:35 PM   #28
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Re: Not training the snatch?

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Thanks for the reply Michael,

Our Oly specialist certainly understands how to train the snatch.

Cheers

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@Sean, I didn't mean disrespect to your Oly coach. In my experiences it is usually a lack of confidence in teaching a skill that stops a coach from teaching that skill. I see it a lot with gymnastic skills.

I apologize if my comments were taken as disrespectful. They were not meant to be.
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:43 PM   #29
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Re: Not training the snatch?

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Thanks for the reply Michael,

What are your thoughts on not introducing it for beginners? But introducing it a a later date, perhaps thru a specialty class, and sclaing it during WODs to perhaps an OHS or SDLHP or some other element of a clean for the yet untrained

Perhaps reread the OP? Our Oly specilist certainly understands how to train the snatch.

Cheers

S
2 things come into play for me to teach the snatch.

1st: If an athlete can hold a bar overhead then I start teaching them the power snatch. This exposes them to the mechanics of the snatch.

2nd: I only start teaching a full snatch to athletes who can demonstrate proficiency in an OHS. Then I start with PSn + OHS complexes at light weights to build correct movement patterns but more importantly to build confidence in receiving the bar in a squat.

If an athlete cannot perform a perfect OHS then I identify the issue, which is usually put down to mobility, get them to work on that and in the meantime have them performing Front Squats to build the upright positional strength in the bottom of a squat.

I am a coach who only allows my athletes to progress to the next movement in a hierarchy once they demonstrate PERFECT technique and control. Close enough is NEVER good enough. I make this clear to all new members coming into my box. If they put in the time to improve mobility and work on the prescribed accessory exercises, then they will get results and will move onto the 'cool looking' movements.
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:48 PM   #30
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Re: Not training the snatch?

Great reply Michael,

THanks a bunch.

You've made a very good point. We want to remove it from programming, but keeping it in the skills cycle until they're good enough makes alot of sense.

When an new athlete is given any version of the snatch heavy under time pressure, we see them feeling intimidated with the overhead.

We often don't program sholder press to fatigue for newbies, as they lack confidence in bar exit. We teach bar exit until we see confidence then we program heavier to cause breaking of sets.

I like the middle ground you're coming from here.

ANy toughts?

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